Jones and Smith UK and Ireland

Research Start

Starting point for identifying Henry Jones and Mary Smith is:

Immigration om the Black Eagle 1857 Both from Staffordshire both CofE

Death Certificate Mary Smith 1891, married age 19 years Staffordshire Parents Bernard and Mary Smith RC

Death Certificate Henry Smith 1910, 1^st married age 20 in England

Also

Henry Jones 2^nd marriage Wesleyan Methodist

Children of Henry Jones didn’t (didn’t know?) Henry’s parents’ names to complete his death certificate

Henry Jones completed the death certificate with detail of Mary Jones parents and noted religion as RC

Immigration record has religion as CoE

From this:

Henry Jones born 1833 (immigration record), born 1831 (2^nd marriage record) 1834 (death certificate)

Married at age 20 on death certificate gives a marriage year of 1851 or 1853/1854

Mary Jones nee Smith born 1834 (immigration record)

Married at age 19 on death certificate gives a marriage year of 1853.

Much of what come next is based on aligning this 1841 Census record with Mary Jones nee Smith migrant in 1857.  There are some problems:

Name is Maryann not Mary

Mothers name might be May not Mary

Location is Liverpool not Leek.

But there are many points of information that align.

1841 UK Census

Perry Street Ryan's Court

Toxteth Park West Derby, Lancashire

Bernard Smith (text looks like Barnard Smith)	45	1796	Head	Labourer	Ireland
Mary Smith (text looks like May Smith)	35	1806	Wife		Ireland
James Smith	15	1826	Son	Mariner	Ireland
Maryann Smith	7	1834	Dau		Lanc
Catherine Smith	4	1837	Dau		Lanc
John Smith	2	1839	Son		Lanc

1847 Bernard Smith Death

St Mary RC Leek (Find My Past)

1851 UK Census

Based on 1841 Census and supposed death of Bernard Smith there should be a census record for a Mary/May Smith aged c45, James Smith aged c25 (mariner?), Catherine Smith aged 14 and John Smith aged 12.

and there is this:

4 Perry Street

Toxteth Park Liverpool, Lancashire

May Smith	51	1811	Head	Charwoman	Ireland
John Smith	12	1839	Son	Scholar	Lanc Liverpool
Ellen Mars	29	1832	Lodger	Charwoman	Ireland

1854 Marriage Henry and Mary Jones

Marriages Mar 1854
Surname	Given Name	District	Volume	Page
Jones Smith	Henry Mary	Leek	6b	261

BDM information

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

1854

"On the 13th February 1854 Henry Jones was married to Mary Smith in the presence of George Smith and Ann Smith by me Michael A Power"
via findmypast
[I need to check the reference again, but this is the record of the RC celebrant]

1854 Staffordshire marriages

St Luke's Leek Anglican

12 Feb 1854

Henry Jones 21 1833 Labourer Buxton Rd, Father William Jones

Mary Smith, 20 1834, Whitesmith London Rd, Father Bernard Smith

Witnesses George Smith Ann Smith

[If this is the Henry Jones and Mary Smith of this blog, who are George and Anne Smith?]

[It appears that there are three records relating to the marriage of Henry Jones and Mary Smith, Government Registration – see BDM, RC marriage, CoE marriage].

1860 Death May Smith

Age 53 years

Death 13 May 1860

Toxteth Park Cemetery Liverpool

Sec, H, Grave 392

[age 53 in 1860 means a birth of 1807]

Marriage Certificate

Henry Jones – Susan Lerich

According to the Index to Births, Deaths and Marriages, Henry Jones married Mary Ann Susan Lerich in 1895 (reg number 4039).  Details are as follows:

Date: 17/7/1895, Lonsdale St Melbourne

Minister: A R Edgar Wesleyan Minister

Married: Henry Jones, 54 , Gentleman of Belmont Geelong (widower 1891) and Mary Ann Susan Lerich 50, nee Gooch Housekeeper of Belmont Geelong (widow 1869)

Children Henry six alive and 2 deceased, Mary Ann Susan 1 deceased.

Parents William Jones (occupation moulder) and Calliann Webb (writing very hard to read). George Gooch and Sarah West

Witness: John Robert Tyrell , Mrs E H Tyrell

[note the names of Henry Jones parents are included in the certificate]